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Posted by: John Addison Posted on: Jul 5th, 2008, 1:46pm
Is there any way of locking two frames on the same page so that they always appear together?
Do the "extra" pages generated when making frames appear in the final website?
Posted by: Support Staff Posted on: Jul 5th, 2008, 2:42pm
1) the program automatically creates a script that make sure that if a visitors enter a separated frame, it is redirected to the parent frameset (the one hosted by the master frame, so the master frame is important). This script can be disabled by un-selecting "avoid single frame" option within Format >Page properties (this for the master frame)
2) the "extra" pages are not extra pages: they are the frames. Each frame is actually a separate page, as for HTML W3C specifications.
Each frame by the way can be reused within different frame sets (so you can reuse a menu by using only one single page with the menu).
Please read the chapter Frames of the PDF manual for more information. There are step by step examples with images. If you print it and you try to repeat it step by step, you will better understand frames.
Posted by: John Addison Posted on: Jul 5th, 2008, 5:46pm
Thank you.  I had read the chapter on frames, and understood that the "extra" pages are actually frames. My question was, do these duplicate frames appear in the final website.
The website I am trying to build has a cover page with thumbnail pictures.  Clicking on a thumbnail takes you to a different page with the full picture on the left, and a title for the picture on the right.  The picture and title are in separate frames, hence the importance of keeping the two frames together.  I noticed that after uploading it to firefox, the two frames could change separately, even though on the same page.  In other words I could end up with a picture and title that don't match.
Posted by: Support Staff Posted on: Jul 5th, 2008, 6:44pm
Yes frames are versatile, so this behavior may be useful in some cases.
It is your responsibility to place links in a way that will not make this possible in your case.
Posted by: John Addison Posted on: Jul 5th, 2008, 8:21pm
Before I give up on this, let me ask it another way.  On each of the pages (except the cover) I have placed a link to the cover page.  While this works fine in the edit mode, in the browser preview mode, it only links back to one frame on the cover page.  I want it to link to the whole page, not just one frame.  I can find nothing addressing this in the chapter on frames.
Posted by: Support Staff Posted on: Jul 6th, 2008, 6:40am
to do this, just use a normal link.
be warned that the preview dialog that you see when you make links do show "master" pages. So to link to the cover page, you must link to the master page of the cover page. Now you are linking to one of the frames that is hosted within the cover page (so only it  does show)
to see what's the master page of a frameset, release the button frames/noframes that's near the page number box
Posted by: John Addison Posted on: Jul 6th, 2008, 12:05pm
All pages are already linked to the master frame.  
The problem might be that I am using the trial version and although it says the number of browser previews is limited in this version, it appears to do the preview anyway.  Perhaps it is using my last allowed attempt at this instead of the current one?
I wanted to see if I could actually do this before buying the regular version.
If this is the case, I think getting rid of the messages you have embedded in the trial version is enough incentive to purchase the regular version.
Posted by: Support Staff Posted on: Jul 6th, 2008, 3:22pm
the trial edition is limited in the number of pages it can publish so it is possible it has not published all the full framesets.
As frames are very hard to explain with words, you may forward your file to our email support (as attach) with precise instructions on what you would like to do, and what it seems it does not, so we will find your mistake (sorry the error is always human, and we are all humans, after all) and we will help you.
Of course the stuff works otherwise we won't be in business (the competition is very hard in this field!)
By the way, if you experiment by reading the Chapter about frames in the PDF manual (you need to REDO all what the chapter explains, just to read it is useless) you will understand how frames work and you won't have problems.
Posted by: John Addison Posted on: Jul 7th, 2008, 1:50am
ok, I've found a way to do it.  Instead of using "Quick Special Link to - Cover", I used "Insert Link" and that seemed to fix it.  I am curious as to why the first method didn't work though.
Posted by: John Addison Posted on: Jul 7th, 2008, 1:58am
p.s.  I've sent you the file, but possibly the explanation of what I did, in the previous post, will be enough.
Posted by: Support Staff Posted on: Jul 7th, 2008, 5:28am
as you discovered, you need to use "Normal links" or, if you use special links, you need to select the option "as frameset" (in the top left).  
When you use the "quick link" this option is not activated (so if you use quick link you must then edit the link properties).
Posted by: John Addison Posted on: Jul 7th, 2008, 11:33am
Thanks for your help.  
In any case, I had never assumed that the program itself was at fault.  I knew it was the programmer (me).

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